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Dick and Norma Herchenrider were good friends of the Smiths. Dick Herchenrider and Al Smith both worked for General Electric in the Salem, VA plant as engineers. Norma Herchenrider worked in the GE lab in Schenectady, NY with Kurt Vonnegut in the early 1950s.

Dick and Norma had four boys, John who was Greg's (emmett's)age, Bob who was one year older than Bradley and the twins, Jim and Bruce, who were close in age to Karen.